I guess on a scale of one to ten paint the picture for me how bad can it be the pain ten being the worst. Ten being the worst ten is gonna be I need to go to the emergency room because how we define 10 6 is going to be severe 8 is very severe so you’re gonna be 6 to 8 type of pain in doing those particular motions you know it may be outside of that movement pattern you don’t experience the pain so much but if you go into that extension or extension and rotation which would be a special test to try to provoke a fracture in the spine then it can increase and then you know pain can be subjective response you know for a patient so one might be very severe for another like oh you know it’s not that bad for another person so you can’t go on a good point meaning you can’t necessarily go on pain to diagnose someone’s problem that’s taken in consideration with the the whole subject of history but then prove it ok pain compared to when I was a gymnast I had pain when I do this okay that’s typical classic of what might happen in your sport tennis extension and rotation then spondylolysis and then you progressed it to okay let’s see the doctor let’s get all the in necessary imaging the radiograph or CT scan you know the MRI to try to more specifically diagnose does this you know athlete this is patient need to be in a brace for some external support for a period of time to decrease the load volume and stress and then progress with the rehab process.